All rights reserved. When Father Andrew Small, O.M.I., asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner May 2 at the Pierre Hotel in Manhattan, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. Such a mitzvah. Its a mystery! Its to raise money for the school , the salesman countered . My friends went to public school and public school had boys! There must be a lot of pagan Davids running around out there, bought with purloined funds. Gina and her husband raised their two children in New Jersey and now live in Manhattan. Or maybe Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. Im pretty sure it was the heavy sell on Pagan Babies and the strong emphasis on the fact that God doesnt like Protestants that caused me to first question the rigid authority of the Catholic Church. That was the early sixties . Cary had guts, for sure , for such a bold attempt at fraud . No , Sid , Im pretty sure that Jewish people were not considered pagans - but , who knows with some of those nuns . Ransom and Baptism? Were they some mythic group like the starving kids in China, Hungary, Elsewhere who would have been happy to have your brussels sprouts? NEW YORK - They were called "pagan babies," an appellation that would never be used today. Years later, as adults, my younger sister, Patricia, confessed to sneaking into my room and using a butter knife to weasel the coins out of the bottle to buy candy and, yes, pagan babies. Commonweal's latest, delivered twice weekly. MISSION CALLArchbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States, right, was among the notable guests at the first World Mission Dinner. Pictures of Cherub-faced Indian, African, and Asian babies graced small cardboard collection boxes given to each child. If my parents would only let me go to public school, the church might have had another nun. Thats 40 babies right there. They were befuddled . Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . I had one certificate for kids were allowed to give their baby a Christian name. "Baptism . The Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii) Jason Woycke 9 subscribers Subscribe 62 Share 2.2K views 5 years ago A compilation of live footage of the Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii). When Oblate Father Andrew Small asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner in New York, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. Jump forward to 1980 . Catholic Church. When the late Sixties allowed for individuality in footwear, many a girl in funky, high-heeled shoes, broke the silence clunking through classrooms and down church aisles. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. "Wow, that certainly brings back memories. As for the naming part, while it seemed charming at the time, if it really were true, how outrageous for us to name an African baby Mary Margaret or other Western name. I think the whole pagan babies thing was to give us something concrete to hold onto, plus those certificates that we got and plus, of course, naming rights all in the name of raising money for the Churchs missionary work. I served lunch to old people and I received so many compliments from the old people that I thought that I was a goner . Order Bulk SubscriptionsGet a discount on 6 or more copies sent to your parish, organization Or a beer. Starving kids in Africa or something. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. print and digital media outlets, dedicated to reporting the truth in light of the Gospel and the As an incentive for our fundraising, when we raised $5 we were allowed to give a Christian name to a pagan baby. Read an Excerpt. If you want, you can contact the director of music programming at Hawaiian Public Radio, and ask him if hes still using it, though. Anyway , we never got pictures of our pagan babies . Bingo, and thanks. So how many pagan babies did you sell in Brentwood ? I dont remember the certificates , but , yeah , they came from on-high somewhere in the Archdiocese ( we believed , at least ) . I had my little yellow UNICEF box, and they asked if it was for the Pagan Babies. Gina Cascone grew up in central New Jersey and is the author of Pagan Babies, Mother's Little Helper, and coauthor of twenty-six books for children. Back in the 1950s and early-1960s, and possibly before that, the Catholic schools sponsored an ongoing drive to raise money for missions in foreign lands. But Cary was caught . We were never quite sure what a pagan was . Found this page while looking for something completely different, the unexpected joys of broken algorithmic search engines. I spent all my paper boy money." Explore . THANK YOU for truly capturing a historical phenomenon! One time, in the 70s, at an intimate dinner party, we realized the room was filled with about half Catholics who attended Catholic school. Cary Cox stole a five dollar bill from his mothers purse when we were in fourth grade so that Cary could pick the name of the next pagan baby himself . Thanks for sharing that. Some became doctors and lawyers and schoolteachers and others became lay catechists, sisters and priests, operating clinics and schools, colleges and seminaries, Father Small explained, and let me tell you something they need your help today as much as they needed it 30 and 40 years ago. Ah , yeah . All of this went out the window in my belief system a few years later, when i began to understand political realities, had a more sophisticated notion of the universe and got very tired of having philosophical questions answered by Its a mystery. My favorite question was: If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? I remember getting a plastic Virgin Mary statue , about 5 or 6 inches tall. I too went to Catholic School in CA, and we definitely collected money for the Pagan babies. Oh those Catholics had some great fund raising ideas. I went to a Catholic grade school from 1984 to 1994 and have never heard the term. This was great to read. While clearly titillating and voyeuristic, these presentations revealed a larger world and highlighted our own privileged place. the salesman said . talking about!" Yes, as a lesson for us to be generous the Pagan Babies idea may well have been beneficial . After all, it makes sense. The idea was to collect money from students , nickels and dimes , for charity . In college, I was given the opportunity to work for a month at a Franciscan mission in Mexico. Other prizes were plastic pencil cases with a ruler that formed the lid ; it slid out . Daley, who adopted "Michael" on February 24, 1959. Reblogged this on itkindofgotawayfromyou. A bulletin board held the certificates, pinned to the wall. Maybe they had sales during the year at times. We all started reminiscing together as if we attended the same school! Your email address will not be published. Wow ! - Bob U. I could never shake the idea that he was stealing it (but I guess that suggests more about my character than about his). I stole your Money so that I could lend it back to You and Tim with Interest!!!!!!!!! Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. Weird, the kind of memories we carry over from childhood, isnt it? possibly before that, the Catholic schools sponsored an ongoing drive to raise money Lajoie is on the staff of Catholic New York, newspaper of the Archdiocese of New York. Someone spilled the beans , I think , or he bragged to the wrong person just what he had done . Oh my, what a great story. An interactive website will feature video interviews with some of the former pagan babies, now nuns, priests and catechists in their homelands. She prayed, and she prayed, and she prayed with her rosary novena for my vocation. We did that too. Really thought I was saving a baby!" I went to Christ the King in Pleasant Hill, CA. These days, instead of collection boxes we can use apps. Thank God someone sent this information to me and redeemed my sanity. These babies needed to be baptized, and so they needed missionaries, and the missionaries needed money. Pagan babies are certainly a uniquely Catholic childhood memory! Ours always seemed to be colored brown . Those memories come from a ways back . This is a serious problem. adoption pledge. Campbell, now retired from the film industry where he worked as a technician, told Catholic New York, the archdiocesan newspaper, that hed been enrolled in the Holy Childhood Association since seventh grade and that he remembered adopting babies to get them baptized into the faith. But, in fact, the entire program was rooted in a sense of solidarity and charity in the broadest understanding of the word. Sometimes, I was that girl. In accepting his medallion, Cardinal McCarrick summed up the missionary spirit. Remembering a Different A-to-Z Challenge | No Facilities. He didnt say that the big winner was the salesman himself , who had spent only a couple of hours with the principal and with the students but now had three hundred children who would be desperately trying to sell his candy for the next two weeks . Then Father Small asked for a second show of hands. One guys said one time he was examining his conscience and realized he had tried to act like an adult, so he confessed to his priest that he committed adultery!!! Through the years, I have often wished I HAD one of those certificates as I have told the story about them to others and NO one seems to BELIEVE IT! Boys usually purchased boys, and girls purchased girls. Sometimes disabilities don't fall along "guidelines" and some people just need a little extra help. ). Many students adopted several I seriously want to start a band now, just so I can name us that. The teacher had a stack of them . No , only two thousand fifty , countered the salesman . One guy talked about confession when he was in third grade. When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? (Matthew 25: 37-38). Pagan Names for your baby boy Achak: The name Achak is a Native American Origin name which means "Spirit." Adonis: Adonis means extremely good-looking (handsome), also of the Greek god of beauty and desire. Technically, Jews could not be pagan, because they believe in the same monotheistic god Catholics do/did. When the book was filled, it was turned in for a US Savings Bond. Chapter 1: Catholic Kids Make Great Faces People needed food, water, medical care, and were looking to us to step up and provide it. Pagan Babies was a missionary effort by definition it took place in other countries where the Catholic Church was trying to make inroads. The church doesnt have a mission. Their Pagan Babies: "Lord have mercy! Some had a lot more than others. Remember what he said? RENEE! Thanks . The salesman had no answer . Yes , of course , a money-raising strategy that tricked all of us kids I wonder now about our parents . time, before cynicism and political correctness found their stride. I just found yur comment .). A Philadelphia punk band formed in 1986. Maybe the program was intended , at least partially , to teach us generosity . The principal stepped forward , to the rescue , saying coldly , Its a fundraiser for the school . He didnt mention his new stereo system . Needless to say, Zachary stuck. "Pagan Babies": Orphan Imagery in the Passionist China Collection and the Emergence of American Sympathy for the Chinese in the Early Twentieth Century Margaret Kuo Published 3 July 2019 History The Chinese Historical Review "I loved the Pagan Babies! That $5.00 bought you naming rights. The campaign will celebrate the legacy of love and support the program offered, and recall the babies American children once connected with through the Holy Childhood Association. The Pandemic Flu of 1918 and the COVID-19 Virus. The money collected in the United States went to help feed, clothe and educate them. Youre stirring up memories . When the class received the certificate the class just stoppedto think that our class really had another Pagan Baby! Youre too late. Fogogo to mention JUG for bad behavior- Justice Under God, also at St. Ignatius College Prep JMJ was replaced with AMGD all for the glory of God. Her latest books are What Would Monica Do? I dont remember collecting money for them. "I remember Pagan Babies!" Theres the priority. Elementary Charlie had a question for the missionary nuns , too . Here a pagan ; there a pagan . I do not remember the term pagan babies at all, although I remember the little paper boxes quite well. He told how we had to examine our consciences. Just saw this very entertaining thread. Patti Maguire Armstrong Patti Maguire Armstrong is host of the TV talk show Ladies of Another View and an award-winning author and journalist. At the end of the semester, the class that had accumulated the most donations was awarded a prize. Im sure none of that money got further than the downtown Archdiocese offices . It was pretty obvious he was showing off his flawless French accent. Then I developed dysentery, and the very people I was there to save were taking care of me. Should they be angry or should they just feel anguish for the sorry state of the religion these days ? Catholic mom and grandparents here. Other Brookliners Remember Adopting and if we sell ten of them , Charlie continued unperturbed , we get a pencil case ., And if we sell twenty , we get something else that none of us really wants . You must have JavaScript enabled to use this form. Thanks for your comment . We would use the proceeds to buy pagan babies. I will say, Im happy I went to catholic school. I guess our efforts got similarly fierce , but I never got sucked into that . In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. But for five dollars we could play Name That Pagan Baby . How many people who raised their hands the first time were still in contact with their pagan babies? I have often wondered whatever happened to my pagan baby Beverly Anne. I always thought it was amazing that I could have this baby and name her and feed her forever! Reproduction of material from this website without written permission, or unlicensed commercial use or In Common Good Constitutionalism, Adrian Vermeule argues with straw men and cites blog posts. The campaign will celebrate the legacy of love and support the program offered, and recall the babies with whom American children once connected through the Holy Childhood Association. You missed the naming and the fold-out box ! And most students did sacrifice that 5-cent candy money for the cause of bringing the word of god to the uneducated families somewhere in the world that the missionaries, usually Maryknolls stil active in missionary work today were working to convert the pagans usually Africa, in my day (probably deepest, darkest Africa). The rice they used was really good which I think defeated the purpose since a lot of kids looked forward to it, myself included. Lets never forget that one day we will account for how we helped others. I used to take my dads loose change To some of us Catholic school old-timers , pagan babies is a secret code , I guess, that gets us entry into some somewhat sardonic memories . That bring back memories!" Servant of God Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, who once said, My greatest love has always been the missions of the Church, was very much a spiritual presence at the dinner, where his name was invoked several times. What gyp. You never know what I might post about next! When I was in grade school prior to ~1961 in Catholic school, we collected money (our little pittances of coins) for some vague, needy group covered by the catch-all term pagan babies.* Were collecting money for the pagan babies?* As I recall, there were little paper boxes that we saved our coins in and then turned them in to someone periodically. - Sharen D. Everywhere a pagan pagan . These babies, we were told, didnt know God. Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? Save that document. The part of your story that really rang true was the fierce competition between either the girls & boys in the same classroom, or amongst each entire class in the same grade (e.g. ETA, not such a dimly remembered memoir after all; google remembered it for me. - Sal S. for missions in foreign lands. - Ann C. I dont think that the money went sideways. Scotland, late 60s/early 70s, Catholic primary school (ages 5-12) we had this, only we called it something like the black baby fund, rather than pagan babies. I was JUST telling my son about Pagan Babies when I was a little girl! The idea was to collect money from students , nickels and dimes , for charity . I won one month & remember excitement at winning but total confusion & a sense of dread. We too raised $$ for pagan babies. I may have turned into a pagan . But I remember that we did get certificates sent to us from the Society for the Propagation of the Faith with the babys name. on a regular basis. I dont know what state you were in at the time, but I have lived in California for the last 60 years. Great memories!!! Im still not so sure . Aiden/ Aidan: Is of Celtic, which means "little fire." Alun: Alun means "harmony." Albus: This name means "white." Good story about your uncles revelation Ah , the mendacity of the whole thing ! Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . I dont think he really believed me. The civil right movement was a much better teacher than The Catholic School system. Like using Necco wafers to practice First Holy Communion. But , heres the thing : When the class had five dollars then that class got to name a pagan baby . 1961 66. we collected for pagan babies, but we never got to name them, and there was no box that folded out. Through their action the proclamation of the Gospel also becomes an intervention on behalf ones neighbor, justice for the poorest, possibility of education in the most remote villages, medical aid in isolated places, emancipation from poverty and rehabilitation for the marginalized, overcoming ethnic divisions and respect for life in all its stages, Archbishop Vigano said. Two stories I recall from those days: one boy in my room kept bringing in UNBELIEVABLY large amounts every day (.75 here, $1.16 there). And then she went down to the school and repossed those things. And in pagan lands, there are pagan babies. Thanks for the comment ! unless Father Terry is working a con of his own. , Those madcap Catholics. Instead, she found Jesus Christ. Drawing its title from Hinckle's parochial education in San Francisco's Sunset District, "Ransoming Pagan Babies: The Selected Writings of Warren Hinckle" released by Berkeley nonprofit. OK, fair enough, it was about charity for this or that African country, but it so much stank of colonialism. Your description is how I remember things! It really didnt have anything to do with Jesus, per se. UNICEF is the United Nations Childrens Fund. Its a wonderful window on the old days , isnt it ? The Church doesnt have a mission. Back in the 1950s and early-1960s, and - Mary Ellen M. No pagan babies, just for the hungry, I think. What did we kids know ! ETA: and then theres this blog from someone who is completely unapologetic about their participation in the program: http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2006/08/announcing-pagan-baby-reunion.html. . She went to Catholic school too, and I dont know if they had pagan babies then, but I bet they did. When our family moved to another part of Dearborn, we transferred to St Alphonsus parish, and I traded the blue jumper for a plaid one, and the beanie for Hush Puppy shoes. This is my question , said little Charlie Bloomquist to the salesman , If I wanted that bike , why wouldnt I go get a job and save my money until I could buy a bike . Im glad youu got a kick out of it . And then the certificate was put up above the chalkboard. Now they're in together for a bigger payoff than either could finagle alone. Im thinking, maybe, that I qualify as a pagan baby. It seemed like an honorable thing, he explained. The Mary list is endless. It is Catholic mission crowd-funding,making it easy to support those givingspiritual and material comfort to the sufferingand marginalized . Thanks for checking out my blog about my fathers WWII service on the PT boats. Even though I later went on to become a Catholic priest (and later resigned and married), my robust suspicion that Catholicism did not have all the answers began to take root way back in my young Catholic boyhood. Something good came from Corpus Cristi. There is in the heart of every priest, and I hope in the heart of every Christian, the longing to be a missionary, to be a proclaimer of the good news to the ends of the earth, he said. Thanks for the comment. He was a bartender later in life , at least for awhile . This made my day. But Im a bit cynical . They folded out . collection boxes given to each child. The teachers all smiled . I also remember buying 10 cent stamps that went into a book. I should have asked them if they had ever run into any pagan named Herman . Oh , well . Don't know why they are so eagerly upholding pagan traditions. I went to a public school. They were missionaries working somewhere in Africa . Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, who once said, My greatest love has always been the missions of the church, was very much a spiritual presence at the dinner, where his name was invoked several times. For a baby girl, Sister always pushed us to choose Mary something - Mary Beth, Mary Alice, Mary Margaret, Mary Catherine, Mary Jane, whatever. I remember my Grandparents joking about it in the '70s. grade 6A, 6B, 6C,). I remember Green Stamps . probably denoting how much money was collected. Remember JMJ ? Except in the case of fourth grade, 1964, just after the Beatles hit America on Sullivan. Seems like the boxes looked like animal crackers boxes . I was beginning to think I had created this whole idea of Pagan Babies myself. Thanks for commenting. He's probably still wondering, "How did I wind up with Thanks for commenting! Its a great way to perform works of mercy or give alms during Lent or find a family charity. In accepting his medallion, Cardinal McCarrick summed up the missionary spirit. End of March we usually plant or seed our wishes for the year. "Wasn't there a bridge we had to get them over. Dell Publishing, $24.95 (272pp) ISBN 978--385-33392-4 The opening paragraph depicts a corner of hell on earth: a church in Rwanda after the recent. After about a year it didnt seem to grow as fast but I put it down to my own spending habits. The novel begins in Rwanda.The protagonist is a priest named Terry Dunn. 11 Facts About Murdered Bishop David OConnell, Cameron Bertuzzis Conversion to Catholicism, and More Great Links! There were milk cartons to hold the money. In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. . Thanks for your thoughtful comment . Pretty danged patronizing, offensive concept it was, too. Without her mothers knowledge ! NOT catholic, hallelujah. Pagan babies are certainly a unique experience us Catholic schoolkids share! Arlington Catholic Herald200 N. Glebe Rd.Suite 615Arlington, VA 22203703-841-2590800-377-0511, Website Design and Development by New Target, Funeral and public viewing set for murdered Bishop David OConnell, Catholics, are you going to confession? Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, retired Archbishop of Washington; best-selling author Mary Higgins Clark; and television commentator Larry Kudlow were each named 2012 Pontifical Ambassadors for Mission. I am not the age youre looking for, though, because I am > 50. own pagan baby! Catholic Connection (right after the news). I believe it helped me get through this crazy life :-)) At least it didnt include the genocide of the indigenous population as it did here in CA when the Spaniard priests took on the mission of converting the Indians. Im sure that Beverley Anne is fine and doing well . They spoke for an hour and I think that every sentence they uttered had the word pagan in it . between boys and girls. In A.D. 381, the early Church Fathers wrote in the Nicene Creed, "We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.". NFL NBA Megan Anderson Atlanta Hawks Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics Arsenal F.C. But in 1969 the names we fourth graders favored were names like Ringo and Twiggy. We didnt get a chance to vote on a name because he could name him himself. When we got five dollars the children would pick a name for the pagan baby, send the five dollars to the priest at the mission who would snatch the baby from an eternity of suffering and baptize it with the name we sent along. When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a neighbor who was my age, took 12 books of S & H Green Stamps ( remember those ) and contributed them to the pagan babies program. That reflects a certain dignified sincerity on your part , I think . 3:21; cf. . I think we were the hope, somehow, for all the people who were seeing us and a hope for the country, recalls Bishop Christian Carlassare of the nine-day pilgrimage to meet Pope Francis. Sports. That means that many of our grandbabies are pagan babies! - Karyn D. Seen the movie Mea Culpa? Always when he asked his question , no matter what the occasion , he seemed to be right smack dab in the middle of the group . Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. They projected slides of their missionary adventures onto the wall of the church hall . I got JUG in high school - Jesuits a few times. "What I loved about the Pagan Babies is that we were allowed to name them with our names. And once, the guy who considered himself the smartest kid in the class proposed the name Jean-Pierre. Hooo, yes. I also seem to recall mention of it in some dimly remembered memoir I read years ago about growing up catholic. I went to Catholic grade school at St. Amelias for 8 years. My mother was horrified. maybe he rode to work on a bike . And yet the fundamental mission of the Holy Childhood Associationits efforts to create in children of privilege some sense that they are responsible for and obligated to help other children in needwas not lost on me. Ah , maybe it taught us some basic values , anyway ( or maybe it screwed us up so badly that we dont even realize how much ) . As a first grade student at St.Aloysius in Wilkes-Barre, PA circa 1969, pagan babies were part of our extreme Catholic instruction. When the principal had signed on to a candy sale fundraising scheme because the promotion companys salesman gave him a stereo system as a gift to grease the wheels , the salesman spoke to the students for a few minutes at the morning assembly . or school. 1:16). Yeah , Charlie had a question . an Irish name?" But Father Small, national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies in the United States, wasnt apologizing for the old adoption program in which children in Catholic schools would save their pennies. And my mother prayed. I attended Dominican High School (1966 to 1970) and actually it was in those years that I started my wayward path. It seems hard to believe, but according to the National It used to be a full acronym - United Nations International Childrens Emergency Fund. Great sounding rare live tape here by Philadelphia's own PAGAN BABIES from mid 1988. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. - Vera Marie C. 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